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Can someone please post the ratings for each episode? I'm very curious to see if and how the ratings change from week to week.
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 6th 2009 At 8:12 am |
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You can see what it's doing here.
The 18-49 numbers, which it's been doing adequately in,has allowed ABC to claim a middlin' victory for the night on a couple occasions, though CBS is still clearly winning the night... For FF, they appear to be slowly declining, though. It's not been a Lost cause for celebration so far for ABC.
I put it in the Dollhouse category. Despite all the whining about zero innovation, people don't want TV that requires them to actually use their brains for more than 3 seconds after the show has started.
The end result will be the end of experimentation on TVs, and a steady stream of predictable cop and hospital dramas. And most peeps will get what they deserve.
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 6th 2009 At 8:18 pm |
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Thanks but it's hard to see exactly what the numbers are for each single week, but I guess that the ratings are going down is all that matters. |
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| Message Posted On Saturday, November 7th 2009 At 9:11 am |
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| On Friday, November 6th 2009 8:18 pm, IGotBupkis wrote: | ...
I put it in the Dollhouse category. Despite all the whining about zero innovation, people don't want TV that requires them to actually use their brains for more than 3 seconds after the show has started.
The end result will be the end of experimentation on TVs, and a steady stream of predictable cop and hospital dramas. And most peeps will get what they deserve.
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People that watch broadcast TV don't want to think. That's what documentaries and PBS are for. Besides, all the good writers are working for cable networks where they have more creative freedom. And the networks have a habit of jerking around the viewer.
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| Message Posted On Saturday, November 7th 2009 At 1:11 pm |
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People have been predicting the death of experimentation and a stream of police and hospital shows for decades.  Problem is that "experimentation" is no better than worse than anything else (Cop Rock, anyone?).
If you're talking genre stuff, networks always experiment with something or another. Something like Twin Peaks or X-Files comes along, everybody hops on the band wagon, a bunch of good and bad stuff spawns from it. The genre dies down for a few years. Then you get Lost and the cycle starts up again.
These days, you've always got some big-name producer, a Lynch or a Abrams, who wants to do something quirky and the pull to get it done.
Ain't It Cool does a weekly "How is everything doing that night?" column, and what goes up and down in the time slots. And even that really isn't very informative. Most shows these days aren't "must see," including Flashforward, so you're going to get some attrition.
I think the "this is the one episode you must see" advertising hurts. Okay, so I don't have to see the others, I just have to see this one. Cool. |
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| Message Posted On Saturday, November 7th 2009 At 3:29 pm |
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| On Saturday, November 7th 2009 3:29 pm, Gadfly wrote: | | ... I think the "this is the one episode you must see" advertising hurts. Okay, so I don't have to see the others, I just have to see this one. Cool. |
Agreed! False advertising abounds.
From Wikipedia:
episode 1 - 14.5 Million viewers
episode 2 - 12.6 " "
episode 3 - 11.8 " "
episode 4 - 12.6 " "
episode 5 - ?
episode 6 - ?
episode 7 - ?
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| Message Posted On Tuesday, November 10th 2009 At 5:30 pm |
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Well, "The Gift" was kinda must-see. But saying it's "must see" and saying "it's the one episode you must see" are two different things. |
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| Message Posted On Tuesday, November 10th 2009 At 8:05 pm |
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| On Saturday, November 7th 2009 1:11 pm, guytwo wrote: |
People that watch broadcast TV don't want to think. That's what documentaries and PBS are for. Besides, all the good writers are working for cable networks where they have more creative freedom. And the networks have a habit of jerking around the viewer.
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1) Oh, jeez. That's the same sort of reasoning behind "I knew he was gonna screw me over, so I screwed him first".
Hint: Only in the dictionary does DeCarte belong before "Dehorse".
2) Fiction can't be informative, thought provoking, and enlightening as well as entertaining? That's a rather ummm... "unique" proposition.
4) "All the good writers"... No, not so. They have more creative freedom but they pay less. So the nets have something to offer them IF the nets can actually get people to watch decent show. Like one heck of a lot more money.
5) There is no 2...3 is a master of disguise.
6) "Have a habit of..." WTF does THAT have to do with it? How does that fit into this? In what way does that make any sense in the face of the issue of how y'all just refuse to watch anything that you can't totally categorize every character, as well as where the show will go, within 10 minutes of the very first episode? (that being essentially the complaints about DH and FF). "Oooooh, there are things I don't know!?!?! And it's 30 minutes into the episode, already!?!? I hhhhaaaaaaaatttteeeee thaaaaat...."
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| Quote: | | People have been predicting the death of experimentation and a stream of police and hospital shows for decades. |
Right. Why is it you think G2 noted above that "all the best stuff is on cable"? There's a measure of merit to that claim. The thing is, the money is in broadcast. So writers greatly prefer to work for inventive shows in broadcast. Plus it's a guarantee that they have bigger budgets for broadcast shows, so their visions are less limited by financial constraints, which can balance out some for the greater restrictions on broadcast vs. cable.
Half of all current fiction programming on the Big 4 is police/hospital dramas. Even more if you take "coplike" shows such as medium and ghost whisperer (which are just "supernatural" cop shows) as a part of that count.
| Quote: | | Problem is that "experimentation" is no better than worse than anything else (Cop Rock, anyone?). |
Well, there's a remarkably ludicrous assertion.
Yes, experimentation will produce bad shows as well as good ones. Do the good ones stay on the air longer, or shorter, than the bad ones? How many seasons of "Cop Rock" got recorded? How many seasons of L.A. Law, NYPD Blue, Seinfeld, were recorded? What season is "LOST" on? The Simpsons?
And no, I don't care if you specifically liked any one of those -- they all got substantial critical acclaim despite rough spots, all are/were exceedingly popular, and all qualify as "excellent" TV, despite being experimental and breaking the molds that existed at that point in time.
The net effect is that there is MORE good TV on and LESS boring, repetitive garbage... because the lack of audience weeds out the crap... and you don't watch the crap anyway. You get to watch all that GOOD stuff that got created.
You say the "average" is no different? Guess what? I don't care, because I don't watch the bad! I just watch the substantially good stuff. And the net effect is that there is more good stuff to watch.
| Quote: | If you're talking genre stuff, networks always experiment with something or another. Something like Twin Peaks or X-Files comes along, everybody hops on the band wagon, a bunch of good and bad stuff spawns from it. The genre dies down for a few years. Then you get Lost and the cycle starts up again.
These days, you've always got some big-name producer, a Lynch or a Abrams, who wants to do something quirky and the pull to get it done.
Ain't It Cool does a weekly "How is everything doing that night?" column, and what goes up and down in the time slots. And even that really isn't very informative. Most shows these days aren't "must see," including Flashforward, so you're going to get some attrition.
I think the "this is the one episode you must see" advertising hurts. Okay, so I don't have to see the others, I just have to see this one. Cool. |
The last sentence is the only relevant thing there above, and even that's peripheral.
1) I've heard about "ain't it cool?" .... I've never paid attention to crap like that. What am I, a sheep, that I should listen to someone else tell me what I should be noticing? MMmmmbbaaaahhhh!??
2) I'm not going so far as to claim that FF is "must see". I'm saying that it's certainly worth seeing. Even more so Dollhouse. It makes sense to encourage such TV by watching it given that there's not a lot better on. If you watch it, then the networks notice, and go, "Hey, there's actually an audience for this intelligent stuff! Let's make more of it!"
FF at this point is all questions. They've answered exactly one of them (can the future of the visions be changed?). And there are a lot more underlying questions that may have not even been noticed yet by most people -- Were they visions of the future at all, or did it somehow represent a collective sharing of consciousness that made connections which we're seeing as such? Who knows? The kind of forethought it takes to produce the patchwork already seen says the creative people have their sh** together by definition. I think it'll be a fun ride to find out what they've created. I don't need to know the whole roller coaster track to know the coaster will be fun.
For DH, yeah, it wasn't until around the 8th/9th ep that it got really good, because it took that long (probably due to network interference) for Whedon to show that he really got what the tech could do. Not just the fairly mundane and obvious "Doll" thing, but one heck of a lot more. Y'know something? Whedon's done enough good stuff that, if you get out of his way and let him create, he does a great job. And the eps leading up to 9 were hardly boring. "Boring" <> "not compelling". And it sure as heck doesn't explain that no one is watching it now -- they've had not less than two spectacular eps and a couple good very ones since that ep 9... despite broadcasting only 8 total eps in that time. And the full possibilities of the tech have been fleshed out considerably, and if you have any imagination you can see one heck of a lot of good stories that might have come from it, if anyone actually was paying attention to it. But since they aren't, the stories won't get told. Which sucks.
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LOL. There's this thing, see, called hyperbole. And advertising people tend to use it a lot... perhaps you've noticed?
Its the reason why:
It's got MOXIE!!!
Is bolded, italicized, and has caps and three exclamation points.
It works that way, for the most part, better than:
It's got moxie. Yeah.
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 13th 2009 At 10:14 am |
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